Sons Of Confederate Vets Might Fight NAACP With Flags

Sons Of Confederate Vets Might Fight NAACP With Flags

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The NAACP's effort to boost its boycott of South Carolina because of the Confederate flag is causing some confusion among flag supporters. The lieutenant commander of the Sons of Confederate Veterans says the group has made an offer to a property owner to put up a giant Confederate flag along a busy Columbia highway in response to the NAACP. But the commander of the SCV says no offer has been made, only an inquiry, and the lt. commander is speaking for himself and not the group.

SCV Division Lt. Commander Don Gordon says, "We are negotiating with one property owner to put up a very large flag, and it's strictly in response to the NAACP."

Earlier in the day, he said the group hopes to add other large flagpoles to interstates across the state so drivers will "know they're in the South." But he later said that wasn't definite and would have to be voted on.

SCV Division Commander Randy Burbage says Gordon is speaking only for himself, because no decisions have been made about how to respond to the NAACP. As for the possibility of putting up a giant Confederate flag on a busy Columbia highway, Burbage says, "We haven't made any kind of movement toward that. All I had him (Gordon) do is inquire about it."

The NAACP announced at its convention this week a renewed boycott aimed at bringing down the Confederate flag. It's asking Hollywood actors and producers to join the boycott and not come to South Carolina to shoot any movies. State lawmakers passed a law that just went into effect July 1 to offer producers better incentives to make their movies in the state.

The Confederate flag originally flew on the Statehouse dome, but lawmakers reached a compromise in 2000 to move it to the Confederate Soldiers monument in front of the Statehouse. The NAACP says it won't be satisfied until the flag is off public property completely.

Two state lawmakers who worked on the compromise say it's unlikely they'll revisit the issue. Sen. John Courson, R-Columbia, released a statement saying, "The matter was resolved in 2000," and that he'd have no further comment. Senate president pro tempore Glenn McConnell, R-Charleston, says even if lawmakers brought the issue up again, the compromise that was passed requires a two-thirds vote to move the flag again, a vote that's very difficult to get.



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Flag Comment Posted by Vindicator on August 07, 2008 at 4:01 pm

Guy Grand. The only thing I’m hopped up on are facts. If you read the different states’ resolutions approved by the citizens of those states, each one reads (paraphrased here) that the citizens reserve the right to withdraw from this union of states (united States) at any time of their choosing to pursue their best interests. All 13 colonies voted to join this union of states. In 1803, when Jefferson made the Louisiana Purchase, one of the New England states threatened to seceed from this union. All of the other states wished that state well and said goodbye. There were no threats of War, as it was understood that the union consisted of all members being there voluntarily. As we come through the follwing years, even Lincoln himself made statements, when viewed in today’s Monday morning quarterbacking, shows him to be one of the biggest racists of his day. His view of the african black
is public record and I could fill this paper with them. I suppose your statement regarding fundamental past wrongs is referring to slavery. I could less about slavery, then or now. What I do care about, is the way that the north declared war on a people who excercised their right to withdraw from this union of states. Lincoln trashed the very US Constitution he was sworn to uphold and made war on the entire populace of the South. Men, women, children, black or white didn’t escape the wrath of Lincoln’s murderers and rapists. My ancestors suffered, as did every Southerners ancestors, the burning, murdering, looting of the civilian population is what we remember about that part of history. The very same yankees you state saw the inhumanity after awhile (what a joke), were the same ones inducing that inhumanity towards the South. And the funny part about this war to free slaves is that slavery ended in 1863 in the South according to Lincoln, the war ended in April 1865. Yet slavery didn’t end in the US until December 1865. So tell me how that war was all about freeing the slaves. Regarding your statement about the yankees finding their morals, are you saying that God is also immoral because He allowed slavery? And what about Reconstruction? The insanity of waging a war on the South, defeating its armies and then throwing them out of the the very union they tried to leave! There’s no doubt in my mind why Southerners feel the way they do about yankees to this day. So you go ahead and tell yourself how smart you are, how YOU know everything about that time period and as a descendant of slaves, how you feel their pain, Dude, you ain’t got clue! You’re too caught up in lies to see the truth and I can assure you, that the saying that the truth will set you free will NEVER be realized by you and those like you. What a pity!

Flag Comment Posted by guy grand on August 07, 2008 at 2:00 pm

You know, I’m gonna bail out of these postings after this because it gets to a point where you really can’t deal with insanity when the insane continue to think the thoughts in their head make any sense at all.  Bottom line is this…no matter WHEN the South enslaved African-Americans, or if they were FORCED to, or they let some go as the Union was marching through torching up the joint, the fact is, the South held onto African-Americans in enslavement during this bloody war, and a PERCEPTION has been implanted in most Americans that the South and their failed attempt to secede from the Union was in many ways, whether overtly or benignly, still wanting to continue on in their ill-treatment of blacks.  This perception may not be solid in factual basis—heck, the whites in the South might’ve wanted a big join-hands-and-let’s-go-into-business-with-our-fellow-Negroes moment, but history has since proven that that mindset was never in the hearts and fluttery minds of the majority of Southern men and women.  I confidently believe if you were to poll African-Americans of that day, the results would spill in that they weren’t exactly thrilled with their standing before the Civil War, during the Civil War, and while living in the South thereafter, up until the 1960s.  I’m not sure you’re going to get a great deal of African-Americans lining up to pledge allegiance to that crusty ol’ Confederate flag of yours.  I would venture to guess that there’s not a great deal of blacks living in the South that proudly hang that flag on their front porch.  Why is that, do you think that?  Because maybe it’s a constant HURTFUL and SHAMEFUL reminder!  It dredges up a period of time that THEY certainly don’t feel all that proud about.  So, when you get all sappy about your granpoppy and his kin having fought off the big bad North so he and his kin could be free to further segregate and marginalize people of other races, I really don’t get all teary-eyed for your loss.  And as for your Yosemite-Sam rifle-clutchin’ comment about how I’d feel if “another nation came rushin’ in, guns ablazin’, takin’ over my nation, etc.,“ well, I leave you with this….  I am three-quarter Muskogee Indian (what the Europeans called us as Creek Indian), with a little Spanish blood thrown in.  Not that I can recall—not that I ever lived anywhere near that time—not that I get up every morning cleanin’ my gun and raising my native flag—BUT, I think I kind of get that whole other-nation-coming-in-with-guns-blazing-taking-my-land thing.  It was your ancestors fool.  You have ZERO sympathy or support from me in your confederate rah-rah and push to show your stupid flag.  So, grow up people.  Lift your head out of your segregationist hilltop and hold hands with the rest of us “assimilated” Americans.  p.s. Hope your head doesn’t pop completely off if a (“horrors!“) African-American man with a strange name is in charge of our great country in a few months.

Flag Comment Posted by CSAcitizen on August 06, 2008 at 7:19 pm

That is just the point - you think of the Lincoln war as in the past - but it is NOT! WE live with the resutls every day.You even boast the Federal propaganda that the South ‘wanted’ slavery! WRONG! The South never wanted slavery-it was FORCED on them in the 1830’s by the north to up production for themselves. Most slaves were freed in the south BEFORE Lincoln’s invasion!The war had nothing to do with salvery! Lincoln made this clear himself.Like the typical reconstructed Yankee, you assume the CSA no longer exist! WRONG AGAIN! The CSA has never stopped being its own nation-it’s only under ILLEGAL UN-CONSTITUTIONAL Federal occupation=enslavement!That has to end and soon! How would you like it if another nation came rushing in guns ablazing and took over your nation, home and life and held you at gun point as their slaves and took away your whole way of life and ripped away your national identity and flags?! That is what Lincoln’s NEW Federal Union he created in 1861 did to the CSA! So NO! It is NOT “in the past”!Still Today, just as you are doing,the north agenda daily attacks us and our own national flags and changes the written history of our nation to fit their lies. How would YOU like that to happen to YOU ?!

Flag Comment Posted by guy grand on August 06, 2008 at 12:27 pm

Oooookay Vindicator.  Looks like you’re drinking a few too many Red Bulls as myself.  Bit hopped up on the ol’ Rebel thing.  Alright, let’s go down to the real simple level of this okay?  You can justify this and justify that…sure, the big bad North was exploiting the South, taking massive profits from their cheap, enslaved labor.  Lincoln took awhile to come around to the notion of abolition.  Yada yada yada.  Just like we as colonists realized that we didn’t care for Mother England’s rule and their way of exploiting us, so that’s basically, after all your detailed explanations, is how the South felt about the North.  Got it.  But, ultimately, we’re talking about change and leaving the fundamental past wrongs where they should stay.  You don’t see a whole lot of people these days making a cottage industry about their “British” pride and saying the English will rise again and rule the U.S.  You don’t see a whole lot of battle re-enactments taking place in Dover, mimicking the colony wars of the 18th century.  See, they’re a little more refined and progressive.  They’ve moved on.  No matter WHY the reasons the South did what they did, WHY they chose to secede, the plain fact is that PART, and a very enduring and hurtful memorable PART at that, of what they were doing was enslaving men and women, and they weren’t keen on changing that practice.  The North had slaves, yes, but, see, the majority of Northerners saw the inhumanity of it after awhile.  They somehow found their morals.  They could think.  They eventually changed.  I believe it took a great big chunk of the South about another 100 years for signs like “Colored Only” and orders to ‘go to the back of the bus’ to be practices that were finally outlawed.  Mindset of the South is slow to change to more intelligent, beneficial, and moralistic outlooks for ALL humanity.  That’s been your legacy.  And your ilk’s continual chest-beating and love and flag-waving (as a hated symbol amongst the majority of the African-American race) for a stunted time of ignorance and apartheid simply amplifies and carries on that contention.  This is the 21st century.  We all live in the UNITED States.  Grow up.  Shed your stupid “South” thing and join the rest of America.  If you’re white, then your ancestors came from Europe anyway.  The “South” thing was but a blip in history.  A not so great thing to dredge up over and over again.

Flag Comment Posted by Vindicator on August 05, 2008 at 10:58 am

Wow. Guy Grand you have managed to condense your knowledge of that time period into a thimble and actualy try to give the apprearance that a slave was worth that much effort. You need a reality check friend. I suppose the main reason that you don’t comprehend words such as “Heritage” or “Pride” is due to the simple fact that you can’t relate to them. If you REALLY wanted to know why we feel the way we do about that war, you would read something other than what was printed by the US government. The conquerors are the ones who write the books. They always tell the version that makes them look right. Folks, such as yourself, buy into their story hook, line, and sinker. You’ve been brainwashed since the first day you started school. You’ve been played for a fool and don’t even have a clue! Your comment about the raping, beating, chaining up, indenturing, and killing of Africans was done to benefit those who made the profits from this trade. Yankees! The South was made their scapegoat so people full of hate, such as yourself, would never question the liars! I’m glad you moved out of the South and I can only hope you’re living around the descendants of the people who made a mockery not only of the Constitution, but the Republic this nation used to stand for. Your race has been played ever since they set foot in this country, and only a small handfull of your folks even have a clue. When it comes to that flag, I fly with Pride, but you’ll never understand!

Flag Comment Posted by guy grand on August 04, 2008 at 6:37 pm

Okay, enough…
When is all this nonsensical talk about heritage and history and valor and pride going to cease and desist?  Let me put it to you this way…there were men who once fought for their way of life, who felt that what was their heritage” and “rights” and lifestyle were such that they were validated in raising arms and combatting those who felt, amongst other geopolitical concerns, they’d overstepped their bounds.  It was a failed war for them eventually.  But to this day, there are still many that would like to celebrate that “heritage” and that “pride” and that history by openly displaying their flag.  Their swastika flag, that is.  It’s a group known ever since the second World War as Neo-Nazis.  I think that we can agree they shouldn’t be allowed to wave their racist, disgusting, heritage in our faces.  Nor should those whose dearly-departed “heroes” of the South—the individuals of valor whose racist, disgusting ways, NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT (raping, beating, chaining up, indenturing, and killing African American slaves for the benefit of their lily-white plantations and way of life)—should be allowed to wave their repugnant reminder of that way of life, the Confederate Flag in a modern-day, more progressive-minded America.  If you love that flag, you love the thought of apartheid.  Period.  And that, my friends, is why I moved out of the South and never wish to move back there again.

Flag Comment Posted by LarryFarma on July 24, 2008 at 4:29 pm

The NAACP has not provided even a single example of where a Confederate leader was personally disliked by blacks—not Jefferson Davis,  not Robert E. Lee,  not Stonewall Jackson,  not Alexander Stephens,  not even Nathan Bedford Forrest.
Secession hurt rather than helped the interests of the slaveowners.  The slavery issue was just a pretext for secession.  The Confederates ignored the irrevocable Corwin amendment— which was passed by Congress and submitted to the states for ratification—which would have permanently barred the federal government from interfering with slavery in the states.
Abolitionists were among the biggest supporters of secession,  and that was not because secession benefited the slaveowners.

Flag Comment Posted by skimball on July 23, 2008 at 11:48 am

The NAACP boycott is helping the overall South Carolina tourist industry, but it is hurting the black tourist industries, primarily in the Gullah region.  The NAACP has made it clear they don’t care about these people as long as they can show numbers of tourist companies driven bankrupt.

As part of our flag fight we need to support these black business when and where we can - and let them know it’s because of the flag fight.  After all these people are Southern too, and some of them are just as proud of our Confederate heritage as we are.

Let’s stop the NAACP hate-mongers from turning Southerner against Southerner!

Flag Comment Posted by Patricia on July 23, 2008 at 10:59 am

The Alabama Div. Sons of Confederate Veterans bought some land beside I-65 Southbound located near the Clanton exit. It is the most beautiful site in Alabama!Every SCV division should do the same! As for the NAACP, how in the world did scalawag senators McConnell & Ravenel ever think the NAACP would ever “honor” a compromise?There is NO honor among thieves & Compromise means ultimate defeat! Yes, tourism is UP in SC since the NAACP boycott; I wish the NAACP would permanently boycott Alabama!!! When are the politicians in this country going to put a stop to this economic extortion committed by the NAACP? Sadly, the late Jesse Helms was the LAST stateman in this country! Once there was a time Sen. McConnell stood boldly for our heritage; I told him I wish Alabama had just one senator like he was;well, I got my wish, the Ala legislature is FILLED with scalawags & carpetbaggers just like McConnell! McConnell sold out our heritage for his “golden calf”- the Hunley!In the lying words of Arthur Ravenel on Jan 8, 2000, “Shame, shame, shame on any senator or representative who would vote to bring that flag down!“ McConnell & Ravenel should have viewed the video one more time before casting their traitorous vote! Randy Burbage would do well to show some real leadership in the SC Div. SCV & vigorously pursue purchasing some land on some interstate route in SC and put up a Confederate Battle Flag just like Alabama’s!!!

Flag Comment Posted by D_Joyce on July 23, 2008 at 9:05 am

We have a situation, in Dallas, where a part of a school, Booker T. Washington, has been renamed. The Blacks are up in arms about their heritage and the pandering begins. We might be able to use this example to our advantage if some “leaders” can find their backbone in the attic. Unfortunately, most of our “leades” are as empty as a moron’s mind.

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